From Cognac-Barreled Rye To Motor City Exotics: Sipping, Stories, And Speed

A dusty bottle on the studio shelf turned into the perfect spark for a wide-open conversation. We finally cracked a Grand Traverse Distillery rye finished through a cognac-influenced, triple-barrel journey—and it surprised us. Instead of the hot, young profile we feared, the nose showed dry cherry, vanilla, and seasoned oak, with a clean, warming finish that felt more gentleman than brawler. If you’ve ever doubted what regional distillers can do, this pour makes a strong case for patience, wood choice, and careful blending.

With glasses in hand, we welcomed Lenny from Motor City Exotics and shifted gears into car culture. We traded first car memories—the freedom of bench seats and stick shifts, booming subwoofers, and the kind of breakdowns that become legends. Then Lenny got real about the exotic rental game: thin deposits, high-risk drivers, denied claims, and a scaling problem that grows harder instead of bigger. That hard truth fueled his pivot to allstuffauto.com, a software-driven marketplace that aims to manage assets smarter, not own more depreciating metal. Think marketplace tech with a practical spine, built from the front lines of Palm Beach to Michigan.

Dream cars rounded it out, from the engineering-first Lexus LFA to Detroit-classic muscle and niche Porsches that value feel over flash. The theme ties back to the glass: substance wins. A well-finished rye can outshine a louder bottle; a thoughtfully engineered car can outlast trend-chasing hypercars. It’s a conversation for anyone who loves craft—whether it’s charred oak and cognac perfume or titanium rods and balanced chassis.

If you enjoyed the ride, tap follow, share this with a friend who loves whiskey or wheels, and drop us a review with your dream car pick. And yes—links to Lenny and Grand Traverse are in the notes. Cheers.

Chapters

• 0:00 Loose Bonus Vibes And Introductions
• 1:09 The Orphan Bottle Backstory
• 2:48 Nosing The Cognac-Barreled Rye
• 5:20 First Sips And Surprising Smoothness
• 7:15 Wine Talk And Sweet Palates
• 9:05 Age, Health, And Staying Youthful
• 9:46 Motor City Exotics And New Platform
• 12:05 First Cars And Teenage Freedom
• 16:20 Worst Cars And Wild Rides
• 19:05 Dream Cars From LFA To Thunderbird

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:02

I am the rules.

Jamie Flanagan: 0:03

Oh boy. We're live if you feel like saying that.

SPEAKER_00: 0:09

I said hey.

unknown: 0:10

Hey.

SPEAKER_00: 0:11

Welcome to the Mac Appy Hour. I said hey. Hey. Welcome to the Mac Appy Hour. We're gonna drink a fine whiskey and smoke a really fine cigar.

SPEAKER_01: 0:32

That'll be the day, right?

Jamie Flanagan: 0:33

It is time for Happy Hour, the Man Cave Happy Hour Whiskey, Cigar, Spirits, the stories that go along with it. I'm Jamie Flanagan.

Matt Fox: 0:40

This to my left is the wonderful, amazing, Mr. August Gitchland.

SPEAKER_04: 0:45

All the money I give you got I give you that money back now that you gave me for calling you so sexy earlier. Mr. Matthew. Matt Fox to my right. Matt Fox to my right. We're in a bonus episode. Bonus episode. Matt and I would do this a lot. We have a boner. I mean a bonus episode.

Jamie Flanagan: 1:00

It was great. And you could always tell what the second episode was.

Matt Fox: 1:03

Wow. Always could tell what the second episode was.

Jamie Flanagan: 1:06

We're a little looser, a little looser, a little loosier, goosier. Uh, but no, we wanted to dive in because we this bottle has been sitting on the shelf. It's an orphan bottle. I don't know how damn it.

SPEAKER_04: 1:17

I'll tell you how long. I brought it here last November. Holy shit. And it was from it's a bottle only available in the tasting rooms from Grand Traverse Distillery. You can't buy it in stores, it's the only tasting room available. And I originally had their guy lined up to be on the show, right? And he's no longer with the company, so we kind of lost the guy. So come on and talk about it. So the bottle kind of sat here, and I'm like, well, you know, and we have a new friend of the show coming in.

SPEAKER_01: 1:47

My name is Lenny Yono, and I'm just a guest tonight. But I'm gonna have a drink with these fine gentlemen here. That's a disclaimer.

Matt Fox: 1:53

Like, I'm just a guest. Just a guest.

Jamie Flanagan: 1:55

I'm just uh just uh I guess. So, but no, Lenny is we were pretty excited because it was Motor City Exotics, and I thought a bunch of bettdies would be walking.

SPEAKER_01: 2:03

Did he get that right? Yes, he did. Could yes, motor city exotics?

Jamie Flanagan: 2:06

He's been a little off too. I have been I've been I've been fumbling around. Motor City Exotics, though, not uh fine ladies as I was hoping, uh, but it's fine.

SPEAKER_04: 2:14

Fine exotic ladies, fine, fine cards, the rub and tug business.

SPEAKER_01: 2:18

Um yeah, I'm not in that business. You gotta clean that up, clean it up. Just bring it in eat. I've actually always wanted to own a gentleman's club, but unfortunately, I never did. I just got into different get over that one. Yeah, that's I have friends the same way. Yeah, you know, growing up was like, yeah, I want to own a bar and you know, have a topless bar and all that stuff, but you know at the end of the day, I jumped into what I got into and it worked and why I break something that's working. Or two shows in a row talking about followed your passion, followed my passion, exactly.

Jamie Flanagan: 2:43

We're gonna talk to we're gonna talk to Lenny about uh Motor City Exotics and his cars, but with we're gonna get a little uh pour going first because we want to try this orphan bottle grand traverse. So the story here go ahead, August.

SPEAKER_04: 2:56

Well, I had it, I had it in front of me, and I there you go. I know hurt yourself the way you choose. All right, they're on batch number three. So this might actually be batch number two. I didn't see on the label mentioned which batch it was. They all slightly different flavor profiles. It says Nostrovia on the back. They're they're coming from a cognac barrel. I get that. Uh vanilla spice notes, uh, the mash bills, you get a lot of white and French oak barrels. They they was said barrel three times, right?

Jamie Flanagan: 3:26

Yeah, triple, triple, triple barreled, yes. Yeah. One, two, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 3:31

All the they make a regular rye called their solera, and then the old George is the ones that's aged in the con the cognac. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01: 3:38

I haven't drinked dark in years. It's been years since I've drinked it.

SPEAKER_04: 3:42

Oh, this is what we we usually do.

SPEAKER_01: 3:43

They told me. So I thought we were supposed to drink strictly bourbon. I was like, you know what?

SPEAKER_04: 3:46

With strictly we have we have wandered into tequila. We lean towards and we've got gin. We've done some gin. Vodka, the uncharted waters is when we go to like a place like Tokororo where they have 250 grams.

SPEAKER_01: 3:59

I'm more of like a tacala, I'm more of a like a tequila drinker, and you know, more of a little bit of a wine or a vodka, but anything dark I haven't had this.

SPEAKER_04: 4:05

We do do wine on this podcast.

SPEAKER_01: 4:08

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Mrs. Vino comes in wine. Mrs.

SPEAKER_04: 4:10

Vino comes in and gives us some really good wines. She knows.

SPEAKER_01: 4:13

As a blade, I've been having a wine with every dinner. It's been probably like two weeks in a row. I just got back. Then another glass of wine when I get to the house has been ridiculous. Wine and vodka for me.

SPEAKER_04: 4:22

Wine and vodka for me for a week in Poland.

SPEAKER_01: 4:24

So my associate started drinking in the morning. I was like, man, I hope I'm not one who starts drinking early in the morning either, but hey, oh yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_04: 4:31

Well, some days, yeah. You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning.

SPEAKER_01: 4:34

If you're absolutely if you can drink in the morning, you're privileged. That's what I learned nowadays. So that's how it works, right?

Jamie Flanagan: 4:40

All right. So what kind of nose are you getting on this? It's it's a decidedly bourbon. It's a it's a straight up well, it's a dry though. It's a it doesn't, it doesn't well, it's a decidedly whiskey. And I'm not getting their mashed.

SPEAKER_01: 4:53

It has a very dry smell to it. It does. Very bland, very dry.

Matt Fox: 4:57

There is a hint of I get cherry on that nose.

SPEAKER_01: 5:02

Like a vanilla, vanilla wood to me, maybe. There you go.

SPEAKER_04: 5:05

Yeah, they they talk about the vanilla characteristics in it. Yeah, dry cherry.

SPEAKER_01: 5:08

I can definitely see the vanilla, absolutely.

Jamie Flanagan: 5:10

I can definitely it's it's it's it's nice, it doesn't it doesn't smell young. A lot of times, like these Michigan distilleries, or yeah, because they're they haven't been around long enough. They get an ethanol and yum. I'm not getting any. Are you getting any ethanol on that? On the first nose. On the first nose, I didn't I didn't. I my mine was sitting for a minute before I sniffed it.

Matt Fox: 5:28

I had to get rid of that espresso feel schnooter.

Jamie Flanagan: 5:32

But I'm not, and I'm really digging my nose into it, and I'm not getting that. All right, I'm gonna sip it. I'm going in. I'm diving in. Dive in dive in, brother.

Matt Fox: 5:39

Dive in. I will share that. Uh I did dive in, and it's sitting super nice on the back. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01: 5:47

On the back it actually goes down pretty smooth, it's not that harsh. You know, I was expecting more of a hennessy type of taste, but no worry, Darren.

SPEAKER_04: 5:54

This is the last one. No, no, I knew it wasn't gonna be for sure.

Matt Fox: 5:56

Yeah, but there's a nice there's a nice warmth.

SPEAKER_01: 5:58

This is definitely more gentleman-like, absolutely. I give it that.

Jamie Flanagan: 6:02

It's a gentleman's cognac.

SPEAKER_04: 6:04

I like this. Yeah. For a Michigan brown, yes, usually they're the the the whiskeys here are you right, they're young, they're ethanol-y, yep. Um, they haven't gotten young, I'm not yet, they push it out too soon, or they mix it. They will mix it with Cincinnati stock whiskey, you know, to try to get the bottles out faster. They set up a nice label. This is a holy decent sip. We're coming in at over 100 proof, too. Oh, is it really? Yeah, it's 50%. I thought it was 92.

SPEAKER_01: 6:31

You know, I never knew much about alcohol. I don't. I go somewhere and I look, yeah, I bet. We'll do it more.

SPEAKER_04: 6:38

Start listening to our podcast.

SPEAKER_01: 6:39

Absolutely. I mean, that's a restaurant and they bring out a menu with the wines and all that other stuff or a cocktail, and usually just go for like a vodka or you know, whatever the case may be.

SPEAKER_04: 6:46

What's your wine of choice these days? What are you doing? Reds or whites?

SPEAKER_01: 6:49

Honestly, I like whatever's sweet. So I'm into the Moscato. Oh, okay. I'm into you know stuff like that. German wines, but these things would be like, I'm not, I'm not a big fan of like anything that's super dry, right? Right? But for like myself, I don't I don't enjoy Chardonnay.

SPEAKER_04: 7:01

I'm uh I like the my German wines, my sweeter wines.

SPEAKER_01: 7:04

Dude, nothing better than a barefoot moscato. I mean nothing, it's just so universal and generic. It's very good.

SPEAKER_04: 7:09

Well, here in Michigan makes really good German style wines because we have the same climate. Yeah, so our up north, uh the the Traverse area, you get the the peat the peace porters and the Rieslings from up north in Michigan. Yeah, they're on point with some of the best German wines you're ever gonna know. Oh, wow, yeah. Interesting. So yeah, interesting.

Jamie Flanagan: 7:24

Actually, we probably should have checked his ID before we gave him a drink. Maybe you're young, you look young. I'm just messing with you. Thank you. I'm actually 35. You have a very youthful look.

SPEAKER_01: 7:33

I probably don't look uh you're older than maybe 23.

Jamie Flanagan: 7:36

Yeah, you know what the good thing is, right? It's like you cannot buy cigarettes.

SPEAKER_01: 7:39

It's like picking up girls, man. I can pick up women in their 40s, yeah. Yeah, or I'll take out a young 20-year-old to like the Pistons game. So with me, it's like I can get both ends of the court, which is great. Both ends of the court if I want to experience the pistons game.

Jamie Flanagan: 7:52

There you go. Cheers, cheers to that. Cheers to uh don't leave me hanging. There you go.

SPEAKER_04: 7:57

Get those cougars when they're when they're ripening. Well done.

SPEAKER_01: 8:01

I remember one night I went on a date with a woman, she was a 44-year-old pharmacist. The following day I went on a date with a girl, she was 19, she was working at uh Twin Peaks. I met her there. Uh so like different of a weekend, right? But yeah, it's just how it works. The C B B C that's the benefits of the looks, I guess, right?

Jamie Flanagan: 8:20

There you go. Good old C BBC. And I'm an old man falling on slippery driveways, which is crazy because my health isn't that great, but you know, you if you take yourself as being youthful, everything will fall into place.

SPEAKER_01: 8:35

If you don't feel old, you know, I wake up every morning, I take my dogs out at 5 a.m., they go for a walk, you know, I keep in shape, and it's just at the end of the day, I I try not might let the stress kill me. That's all it's about.

Jamie Flanagan: 8:45

Right on. So Lenny, Motor City Exotics car is it rentals and sales or just sales?

SPEAKER_01: 8:51

So that page that you see is strictly for the uh rentals right now. Okay, so we're getting into the new business, which is allstuffauto.com. Similar, like I said, it's gonna be to like uh copart.com or eBay or Carvana, very similar platform, but we have a very unique software integration. All right, and we're not gonna license it, we're just gonna bring it on on board with our own e-commerce. Right, right.

Jamie Flanagan: 9:10

But you're you're you're still dealing with high-end and exotic and and and cars like that, right?

SPEAKER_01: 9:17

Yeah, well, to be honest with you, I've been leaning off the business the last couple years. I've been selling off assets, contracting a lot of jobs, just really liquidating to put into this new business and kind of just keep my mind focused and kind of have a direct path on where I'm going and 100% concentration on where I'm going with this. So I'm looking for something a little bit more bigger, right? I don't want to manage assets anymore. If if I can conduct a platform that's managing everyone else's assets, all right.

Jamie Flanagan: 9:39

Lenny, what was your first car?

SPEAKER_01: 9:41

My first car.

SPEAKER_04: 9:42

I thought you were gonna go with tell us about your childhood, which we didn't do yet. The same thing.

SPEAKER_01: 9:46

Tell me, tell us how to tell me about your car childhood. So my first car, I was 16. I actually went out and got a 2008 Charger Daytona. That was my first car. You know, back in the day, the 5'7, the 5'7 Hemi was like that was it, right? In high school, that's what you kind of had to have. All right, all right. And then uh I kind of you know eased off, you know, the muscle cars as I got a little bit older, got into luxury cars, and then really it just right now, whatever suits the feel, to be honest.

SPEAKER_04: 10:13

Sure. All right, August, what was your first car? 84 Chevy S10 pickup truck. Yeah, baby. They had that that seat that there's like a one bench seat inside of it, so you could slide if you didn't have your seatbelt on, you'd slide all the way over.

Jamie Flanagan: 10:25

Hell yeah, slide all the way over. Hell yeah, Matt Foxy Loxy. What was your first vehicle?

Matt Fox: 10:30

Uh, it would be a 1984 Ford Escort, burnt green with a 30 mile per hour steel bumper on the back of it. I drive a vet, a shovet, an escort? That's great. It was a Ford escort. We actually got I actually got rear-ended by a core vet. So I didn't find the car and it hit my steel bumper, it just shattered the f out of the uh I should mention my S10 was a four-speed stick.

SPEAKER_05: 10:59

Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_04: 11:00

My first car was a four-on-the-floor stick. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 11:02

I was so excited on my 16th birthday. I actually scheduled everything to get my license on my birthday. I was so excited to drive. I just I honestly didn't care what I drove. I just really wanted to drive. Yeah, you know, imagine taking the bus. And when I had to take the bus in high school, I was uh I was a freshman at the time, so we just come on the bus. But these older kids, junior, senior sophomores, they would drive to school, have their music bump in, have their girls in the car, they'd go out to lunch, sneak out for lunch, right? I was like, I gotta get a car. So that was the most exciting thing. It didn't matter what wheels you had, as long as you had wheels, you were rolling. That's kind of what it was back in in my era. The nicer cars didn't come around until uh it was everybody's era, man.

SPEAKER_04: 11:35

The Beach Boys, all their hit songs are about cars and 60s. Yeah, 60 cars.

SPEAKER_01: 11:39

I graduated in 08, so in my day, it was more of the like I feel like like the hip hop type shit. Sure. So it was more like the hip hop guys driving around, they got the rims in the car. I remember I had this large ass subwoofer in my car. Listen, it took up the whole goddamn back seat.

SPEAKER_04: 11:55

We all did that too. And I'm old, I'm considerably older than you. And we didn't see it.

SPEAKER_01: 11:58

So it's just me and a passenger because the backseat just had subs and amps and sort of the trunk. I'm looking at it now, how ridiculous that car was with the license plate just smacking and rattling and ringing.

Matt Fox: 12:07

I think like I'm gonna go on a limb and say there was no dirt on your shoulders at that point in time. Probably not, dude.

SPEAKER_01: 12:13

This was no worries, no bills. You know, there was no such thing as everything was just fun, man. Everything was just fun back then.

Jamie Flanagan: 12:19

All right, so first car 64 Chevy 2. Nice, yeah, yeah. It was a hand-me-down for my brother. My brother had it, it was he gave it to me. Uh, he bought his 76 grand prix big freaking that was a boat, the the hood to the length of a football field. That was a boat. Oh my god, yeah, yeah. And it was a monster, it had like the 455 in it or whatever.

Matt Fox: 12:39

A buddy of mine had one of those as well, and we called it the Ark because it was so goddamn bright.

Jamie Flanagan: 12:43

But the 64 Chevy 2, it was the Nova the year before they started calling Novas. Love it, love it, love it. Chris Isaac had the car. Yeah, it's Chris Isaac had one of those. Love it. I I absolutely utterly regret giving that get get getting rid of that car. It's I just if I had more money than cents, I'd go buy another one. Sure. But I don't have either. So I will have money and a wife. So I don't have money and I have a wife, so I can't just go buy a 64 Chevy 2 if I if I wanted to. So that was the first car. Matt, what's your worst vehicle?

Matt Fox: 13:16

Uh, it would be a Chevy S10 pickup truck.

SPEAKER_01: 13:18

Those aren't so bad.

Matt Fox: 13:19

I didn't ask you. I will not sell mine to you.

SPEAKER_01: 13:22

No, it was that thing's a classic. It was a freaking death trap, man.

Jamie Flanagan: 13:26

All right. I got you someone beat on it. I got you all, I got you all beat by a thousand yards. What was your worst vehicle? It's probably that same one.

SPEAKER_04: 13:38

Uh I never had a real oh no, the the seven-minute Bronco. The one that I only had for seven minutes before it died in the middle of the van dyke. I never started again. I love a set of things. Yeah, I bought a brand new Bronco Sport out of the off the lot uh 2021, and it died in the middle of the street and never started again. And they had to buy it, they bought it back, and I got the one I got now. You drove it off the lot in the street.

SPEAKER_01: 14:01

Haven't you guys ever wrecked your car when you guys were younger? Any guys show?

SPEAKER_04: 14:04

Yes. One, I did wreck one car.

Jamie Flanagan: 14:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, so your worst car.

SPEAKER_01: 14:10

My wrist vehicle, I think I had a 98 grand dam. That was up to the case. Oh, that's nice. It was a relic. That thing was a relic.

SPEAKER_04: 14:16

Oh, those pontics were all slapped together with you know duct tape and absolutely those things were so much plastic on them. Those things got his beat apparel.

SPEAKER_01: 14:24

I guess I actually learned how to drive when I had my permanent. I was driving my folks' dodge and trip it, if you guys know what those are.

Matt Fox: 14:30

Sure, those are way old, way back. Those are pre-SUV SUVs.

SPEAKER_01: 14:33

Pretty much. Yeah, it was just a long tail sedan. That's what that thing was.

Jamie Flanagan: 14:37

I think I need to start a GoFundMe just uh make sure this never happens to me again. Go for it. I was the uh proud owner of a used mail Jeep. What a right right hand drive, right hand drive, mail jeep, one seat. I had a milk crate, and girls would get in it and sit on a milk crate next to me. I spray painted it black with a red stripe on the side of it. I you know what I've been visiting right now. I went to I bought I bought cans of spray paint and I spray painted it black, bought it for 500 bucks from the post office. Why do I have a head gasket would leak so oil? Oh, yeah, so it'd catch on fire periodically. Oh, yeah.

Matt Fox: 15:20

I got the theme to 18 going through my head right now.

SPEAKER_05: 15:24

That was the color, that was the color combination.

Jamie Flanagan: 15:26

That was the color combo on my right-hand drive mail jeep. So when I went to Europe, I was all good with the right-hand drive because I was always rolling.

SPEAKER_04: 15:33

That's only in England, by the way.

Jamie Flanagan: 15:36

Ireland, I well, Ireland in the UK. Hey, now we're independent. Mud farmer. Anyway, but yeah, yeah, yeah. I got a potato floor. So that was that was my worst. That was my scariest way to do it.

SPEAKER_04: 15:50

You're still sitting on a dream car, though, Jamie. Is there a dream car in your in your mind? That's a great question. This is the one, you know. Dream car.

Matt Fox: 15:56

Come on, Lenny. What is it?

Jamie Flanagan: 15:57

67 Thunder Rupert black on black on black convertible.

SPEAKER_01: 16:03

You know, heads and shoulder above anything else, only because I'm a car enthusiast. Right, right. So you're a car guy. So this is gonna be the thing is these hypercars, they change often. But to me, now in the position I'm in, right?

Jamie Flanagan: 16:14

You sell you you deal in hypercars like Kleenex. Oh, here's this one. Get give me another.

SPEAKER_01: 16:20

It's just the depreciating value on those things is not worth it, man. To go out there and spend three million dollars on a car that's gonna dude. That's what people are doing on the city. That's why I spent 500 bucks on a million. They got 50 grand Bugatti payments. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Like, you know how much wealth you can abstract with that kind of money. It's like a lot of things.

SPEAKER_04: 16:36

So we're not talking about like the modern cars, like the things you're gonna buy right now. Is there something that you've always like? Oh, if I could get a hold of, you know, 2002 Bugatti with this engine, this is the one, you know. Is there something like that?

SPEAKER_01: 16:47

I would love a really nice equipped Lexus LFA if you guys are familiar with those. Probably not.

SPEAKER_04: 16:52

That's exactly what I was hoping to hear out of you. Something I've never heard of.

SPEAKER_01: 16:54

Yeah, that's what I was expecting. Not something super extravagant or super over the top, it's just a very niche vehicle I've always been into. Okay, and that's kind of something I would get. Some little more modest, but honestly, now just even seeing them driving around, that's kind of not what gunning for nowadays. I'm not here to hit the road all fast and quick, you know. Like I said, I'm kind of looking towards future shit, you know, not the car I'm driving around anymore. It doesn't really matter to me.

Matt Fox: 17:18

I need a nice cruiser, you know, nice like a grand marquee. No, no, a 1964 and a half Ford Mustang Cherry Red Convertible. That's that's that dream car.

SPEAKER_04: 17:27

All right, okay. So my my nice is and I have an odd one, and I I just want the the Porsche 944 Turbo S convertible, and I think it was 87 or 88 that it had the 911 engine in it. All right, and it's always been something I've always had my eye on. A buddy of mine is in the exotic car business. Not a song. So he asked me, I told him about that. He goes, I'm working on getting one right now. He goes on to whatever, I think it was uh bring a trailer at the website. I know and he's like, he was bidding on oh 944 Turbo S convertible. You're like, dude, don't even tell me. I'm like, if you get a car, you gotta let me try. Let me take it to the car wash for you. Yeah, but he's in the and he was like, I love that car too. It was a it's a niche car. There was only a few of you know, a couple hundred of them made. So that's and then uh the uh was it 19 to be 1984 Camaro iRoc Z Yellow that had that poster on my wall when I was that like Bumble, was that like Bumblebee Transformers? Yeah, something like that back in the day. All right, so yeah, those are just the two that I've always had on my list.

SPEAKER_01: 18:28

Interesting, yeah.

Jamie Flanagan: 18:29

So yeah, I said the 67 Thunderbird, black on black on black, and very Detroit thing to want to. Yeah, you gotta have the muscle car. Absolutely, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01: 18:38

That's what we're known for. You know, Detroit's known for the old school muscle cars a lot more than they're known for the supercars and the hypercars, you know.

SPEAKER_04: 18:45

No, they have the the muscle cars and the and the look and absolutely it's the motor city for a reason.

SPEAKER_01: 18:49

Absolutely, it's the motor city for a reason.

Jamie Flanagan: 18:50

All right, so motor city exotics. We're like scoping the Instagram out earlier, and people like shoot sometimes. People come in and shoot videos and things in your place and like pose with the cars and they just they do.

SPEAKER_01: 19:02

That's the thing. That's kind of why I got out of the business. Listen, giving anybody shit nowadays and expecting them to return it yeah as they got it is almost unbelievable. So imagine giving out a 200 grand car, taking a$2,000 deposit, they wreck it, right? It doesn't even cover tow or impound, let alone the deductible. So the business just became a liability.

SPEAKER_05: 19:22

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 19:23

And you can't really scale. Like, yeah, you can get one location, open up another location, but at the end of the day, you're not scaling to your means, you're not scaling any quicker, you're just scaling harder. The liability is heavy, it's a lot of legal representation that goes into it, a lot of insurance, a lot of denied claims, and just giving people anything, especially it doesn't matter where you are in Palm Beach, Florida, or in Michigan, shit goes south when you give somebody a fast car. They just get excited. It goes south when you give somebody a fast car. They get excited. Whatever they can roll slow, like OJ. So that's what. I'm a little more leaning towards you know the website I'm building versus you know continue to scale and rent out cars at the end of the day.

Jamie Flanagan: 20:06

You know? All right, cool. All right, so well Lenny, we're we're gonna do more stuff with Lenny. And and he's he's doing it, he's gonna do his own podcast. And just glad he's here at the podcast, your boys studios. And uh we're glad you rolled in to join us for one.

SPEAKER_04: 20:21

Rather successful just in taste.

Jamie Flanagan: 20:23

I'm mad that this is anytime I'm in town.

SPEAKER_01: 20:25

Absolutely.

Jamie Flanagan: 20:26

I'm mad that this has been sitting in the shelf for a year and we haven't tried it. It's actually pretty good. Just over here. It's been taunting. I've been like, I've been poo-pooing. I'm like, oh, that's gonna be like a big like noseful of ethanol.

SPEAKER_01: 20:37

I thought I was I'll be honest with you, I thought I was gonna vomit all your all over your table at first. I was like, oh, let me that'd be a first.

SPEAKER_04: 20:42

Yeah, I bet. I mean, that one that one episode when I had to throw up, I ran outside and threw up in the storm drain. But I told you ahead of time I was gonna have it.

Jamie Flanagan: 20:48

I did, I did, I did and I did it to you anyway.

SPEAKER_01: 20:50

Yes, so luckily I didn't vomit, it wasn't that bad.

Jamie Flanagan: 20:52

All right, so I thought it was gonna be awful. It was actually it was actually very, very nice. Oh, it's very nice. I'm wondering. You'll probably take that home to celebrate with your guests, and I'll be sad to see it leave the studio.

SPEAKER_04: 21:01

Well, maybe I'll leave it here.

Jamie Flanagan: 21:02

Oh, the same thing.

SPEAKER_04: 21:03

As long as we uh zip tie the the the doors shut again. So we need the really nice now. It's even nicer. Yeah, it's nicer as I go.

Jamie Flanagan: 21:12

I did a small pour, yeah, just because I've had a couple and it's a school night.

Matt Fox: 21:16

All right, Lenny, welcome to podcast your voice. Welcome to the studio.

SPEAKER_01: 21:20

Thank you for having me, guys. Thank you for having me.

Matt Fox: 21:22

All right, uh over there is Matt Fox. To my left is the sexy, amazing August Gitch lag. That voice that you hear. That's Jimmy Flanagan.

Jamie Flanagan: 21:30

That's it.

SPEAKER_04: 21:31

So he's got the voice.

Jamie Flanagan: 21:32

Do all the podcast things in all the podcast places. There'll be links to us, there'll be links to Lenny's down in the description, and we'll see you all and throw in some Grand Traverse love there, too. Peace next time. Bye guys, cheers.